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NOTE: Before I begin I need to make this abundantly clear. This is not a post intended to invite harassment to any individuals whatsoever. This is an opinion-piece and also intended as a means of expanding upon certain thoughts and educating in regards to what not to do when responding to an opinion you disagree with. If you choose to harass the person over this? You are scum and quite frankly I do not want you on this account watching me.Honestly guys, I just kind of suck at titling so hopefully this works out. Anyways, welcome one and all, I am Aspiring-Creator and for those of you who have watched me a good while, you might know that I've done a couple of deviations where I go over my various unpopular opinions in a way that hopefully is very respectful of the thoughts of others. I lay out at the beginning of those posts a list of rules and little notes and so far those have done a fairly good job at informing people of what the purpose is and I've seen mostly civil discourse. Of course this doesn't always work and the internet will be the internet and thus you have people who misinterpret and misconstrue though at the very least the people I've gotten so far who have done that seem to have either misinterpreted the wording on their own volition or they're teens and children who seemingly sped through reading the description and just commented from there so it's nothing too bad.
Sometimes though and it only happens every so often, you get someone who to be frank should probably not have an internet connection and probably leads a deeply unpleasant life if the poor behavior they engage in through comments is what they think is proper discourse. Now over the years, I've dealt with these kinds of people a lot through comment sections, fanfiction reviews and so on and at this point? My usual method is thus, I will be professional and polite for as long as I can to try and speak to them and if they are continuing to be an asshole even then? I tend to just block and move on. But there are a few cases where due to either a spark of inspiration or just me realizing this could be a good teachable moment? I choose to instead address the comment or comments outright which is what I'm doing here. Now I know what some of you who are aware of my posts regarding unpopular opinions might be thinking so let's get some clarifications out of the way.
1) I am not responding to people purely because they disagree with me. I have absolutely zero intentions on going back on what I said in my unpopular opinion posts. It is perfectly okay if you disagree with me on certain standpoints. These posts primarily deal in art and media and last I checked, the world isn't gonna explode purely because two people on this planet don't agree on a topic as simple as that.
2) I also am not doing this purely because the person dared to speak a little harshly. Like I said before, this is pretty abnormal for me to do in general these days since usually I ignore the post. I just thought this time I might as well because it's a teachable moment and it allows me a chance to expand upon my thoughts on certain things.
3) I do not and I mean DO NOT condone harassment of the users featured at all. This kind of goes without saying because I did put it at the beginning but this feels like something that sadly more and more creators have to emphasize. When I criticize or call out someone, that is not an invitation to harass the guy whatsoever. I already had enough of this nonsense back on one of my previous accounts and I wasn't careful enough then but now? Things have changed, do not harass, do not link these people my stuff. You're not helping me in any capacity, you are just being a rude dick. With all that said, let's cover the tale of this little guy shall we?
So two weeks back on August 28th, I check DeviantArt and notice I got notifications for comments on a couple deviations I uploaded, mainly my unpopular opinions. I get intrigued since I mostly only get notified on watches and favorites and I perk up more when I see comments (No offense to you amazing new watchers, I just like the prospect of more interaction.).
Then I check the posts and it's all by the same guy named zezzagain, a guy who has I should note no profile picture of any kind and only a single watcher so already this is a "good" start and they're almost nothing but rejections, not disagreements or simple dissenting opinions, rejections of what I said. Now sufficed to say this didn't surprise me since I dealt with this before with users like BoogeyBoy1, Zesanacktor and others and this is where the first tip comes in for what not to do. People I really shouldn't have to say this but rejections aren't the same as simple disagreements. If you disagree with me? That is completely fine and I understand, I may engage in a little friendly discussion afterwards but it's not to put down your opinion, it's just to interact. That being said, the fastest way to get me to just feel no desire to respect your opinion is for you to just tell me I'm wrong. That's what I'd classify as an outright rejection which may I remind you is being done over something as innocuous as saying that I like/dislike something that others do/don't. And sure some of you doing this may not intend it this way whatsoever and will tell me it's just a part of how you conduct yourself online or that you're just simply disagreeing with me but to be blunt, that's not how that works in the slightest.
Rejections are only to be used when it's something that is straight up objectively heinous like say defending a sexual predator or being on the anti-side of issues pertaining to human rights on topics like gay rights and so on because to be blunt? Those are outright objectively awful positions to take as they deal in actual human lives. Liking or disliking a movie is not the same thing and on the off-chance that this is media that means a lot to you? Do keep in mind that I say in a lot of these posts that I am not in any way attacking you in any capacity. You are not the product and your love isn't invalidated because I say something about that property and even when I get blunt due to passion and mention my issues with certain fans? I try to word these sentences so that you understand that I am speaking about only a specific kind of fan and that if you don't line up with that description? You absolutely have nothing to be pissed about and are free to just ignore or call out those types with me.
Now back to our little tale, I went through every one of his comments and found one or two that seemed to imply he was able to be civil so I thought that maybe this was just a case of someone who worded their disagreements badly. So I chose to respond to these comments addressing their disagreement and basically I only zeroed in on the parts of his comments that were the most aggressive since I saw no point in focusing on the kind of chill stuff. I get nothing for the next two weeks and then suddenly on September 11th, I get very aggressive replies back and not only that but I found out that the dude blocked me which brings me to another point of this. Doing the drive-by block in this manner where someone disagrees with you and you just post a bunch of replies and then hit the block button is one of the most childish and outright cowardly moves you can do.
Now let me be clear, I am not saying that using the block button is inherently cowardly. There are a plethora of valid reasons to block someone whether it feels like that person is just spamming you, they're being an immense asshole you just don't want to deal with, you notice on their account they've made loads of uncomfortable and offensive posts that convince you to cut ties as soon as possible, there are good reasons to block a person. A disagreement like this ain't one of them, especially if you post angry replies where to me it just tells me and others you wanted the last word since that means you'd "win" the argument and that also you're just being childish coward who can't accept that another person disagreed with you and bear in mind, I usually try to be pretty chill and if that leads to people pulling this? That is especially pathetic to see and it's nothing more than annoying because it meant I couldn't properly reply to any of those posts which is part of the reason why I'm making this thing and to start at the beginning, let's go for his reply to my first unpopular opinions post. He said this:
"sequels are terrible, Disney’s purchase was never beneficial. Yamamoto’s style is great. Clone wars is shite. Artstyle of transformers animated is awesome."
In my reply, I opted to focus primarily on the bit regarding Disney's acquisition of the Star Wars franchise since honestly there's a lot that the purchase has done for the brand that I see many people often overlooking and wrote the following:
"I'd disagree on Disney's purchase. I mean okay if we're talking a few of the downsides, there is less of a likelihood for Star Wars to take truly insane risks and make weird stories but in terms of what it's done? Sequels or not, Star Wars became a global phenomenon again. We now have a proper Star Wars-themed land at a theme park, it's pretty easy to grab the movies and also, the franchise's expanded material I feel has been much more consistent in terms of quality than it ever used to be. There's things to criticize yes but in terms of the big picture? It has done a lot of great things for this series."
Notice how I acknowledge there are a few issues and I also keep my attention away from the sequels since honestly in terms of opinions, that is the least of my concerns. Two weeks later, he comes back with this banger of a reply:
"All of that is false. The downsides of Star Wars owned by Disney shows and Star Wars became a DEAD phenomenon when Disney released the sequels. Star Wars was already very popular without Disney and George Lucas made it so. Also the EU is more consistent than the Disney Universe ever will be. Star Wars already took insane risks and make great stories without Disney, the prequel Trilogy is an example of great stories. Disney universe has never been consistent in terms of quality because the EU is and was more consistent when it comes to quality. So no, Disney hasn’t done ANY great things for this series."
So first issue you might notice here is that he just outright states what I said was false and just opts to say the exact opposite of what I just said as if it's a truth when it absolutely isn't. And while we're on that topic, let's get this little nugget out of the way, there is no such thing as objective criticism and art is not objective. If you like something, you like it, it's as simple as that. Objectivity as it pertains to art really only becomes an aspect when you're dealing in say studying to become a scholar or when the art itself is outright abhorrent like say a piece of art is actively hateful and spreading ideas of that sort. Case in point without getting too serious, there's a reason why the old film Birth of the Nation is only ever praised for the innovative techniques it brought to the table that would be used in other movies while having its narrative absolutely ripped apart for being little more than a glorified recruitment video for a certain band of racist pointy sheet wearing jackasses and in this case we're dealing with the less serious topic of media. If you have an opinion that differs from mine, it doesn't mean I'm wrong and you're right or vice versa, you just have a different view on something which I will say should be respected.
However, respect is also a two-way street when it comes to strangers and so if you write your disagreement like this then quite frankly, my desire to respect your opinions is considerably lower than it would've been if you were respectful in your disagreement and I'm more likely to outright argue against it more bluntly like stating for instance how thanks to Disney, Star Wars came out swinging and made 2 billion dollars with TFA, 1 billion with Rogue One, a 1.3 billion with TLJ and a billion with TROS and that's not even counting all the sales of the DVDs and Blu-Rays. It also had some of the highest rated streaming shows with The Mandalorian and TCW's final season and there's of course Galaxy's Edge and so many other aspects with it only truly being "dead" to the scores of butthurt babies who can't accept their precious space fantasy is changing and evolving which we went through before with the prequels. Not to mention there are now people who live in a world where animated characters are making the jump to live-action and content from games and books are being visually realized in live-action and animation. Say what you want about the sequels but we Star Wars fans have been eating good.
Moving onto the next post chronologically, the guy posted this:
"Current sonic games are written terribly and even though I don’t like the old games, i and many others prefer those stories over the rehashed safe new stories. Sometimes tropey can be wrong. Tintgate isn’t overblown. Fairly odd parents is awesome "
It was also on that post that I noticed he was making responses to other users with the same rhetoric like in one instance where a friendly gentleman by the name of RobinsTwo just posted they agreed with me in saying that I didn't like Fairly Oddparents at all by responding with:
"Not true and most don’t hate it"
And when the guy pointed out that it's generally agreed upon by most people that at least seasons 9 and 10 are pretty hated, the guy's simple response was to declare that they weren't and I only caught this now because DeviantArt doesn't notify you of responses to other comments unless you were directly mentioned and I'll just say right now, this is a pretty shit thing to do. Jumping onto another person's post because you reject what they're saying is just plain ridiculous. It is absolutely okay to disagree with a commenter on a topic and if a discussion is had because of said disagreement that's even better. But to just jump on someone because they decided to innocuously agree is disrespectful to the commenter and disrespectful to the deviant since I can't help but wonder if the reason you did that is so that I wouldn't see immediately. I especially can't stand it because you people should feel safe to comment without having to worry about some dickhead jumping on you for your opinions. You can come at me all you want, I made the post, I'm ready for the notifications and I'll be willing to deal with them as they come but please leave my commenters out of it if you're just gonna be a dick with the same going for the commenters of other deviants. Now onto the main comment and my reply which was a big one to say the least:
"I get the sentiment in that sense because I will say that one thing that did separate Sonic from Mario for me and made him more interesting was how SEGA was willing to play around a bit with the tone and stories, going for something that usually skirted more along the lines of shonen anime. That being said and bear in mind this is just my opinion, it feels like the reason why you see so much praise for those stories is because people who actually grew up with those games are just now starting to come into adulthood and thus have more of a voice on this matter but because it has just happened, the rose-tinted glasses are still in full effect because the thing is? Sonic Team can't write serious stories for Sonic and every time they try, they keep failing because they go too serious when Sonic as a franchise is one that does well with a balance.
Tropey can be bad... but I feel that comes down to more how the series uses the tropes rather than the tropes themselves. Granted there are exceptions to this such as the accidental fanservice trope which has always been stupid and should stay dead and buried in the 2000s but otherwise, a lot of the time it's just how you feel about the series. Using the example I cited for instance, MHA is a really solid series that I understand is incredibly tropey in terms of what it cribs from both shonen and superhero stories but to me it uses those tropes so well that unless you're a cynical critic who just has been exposed to so much of the same kind of story you're burnt out on it, I don't see how anyone can't pull at least a little enjoyment from it.
I will probably shout this from the mountaintops, Tintgate was one of the dumbest "controversies" ever started. For the record, I've seen the version of the movie that had the green tint as well as the versions that didn't and while yes it is noticeable if you are looking for it? It was not a dealbreaker. Sometimes when making Blu-Rays and such, things like this happen in the process because people forget that when they make the DVDs and Blu-Rays? All the color-timing and color-grade that was present on the original film has to be redone and sometimes, mistakes are made. The only thing I say is that unless what is done actively ruins the experience like for instance what was done with the 2014 Godzilla film where unless you were buying the 3D Blu-Ray or now the newly released 4K version, you'd get a version of the film that was so dark it's hard to see what the hell is actually happening then frankly I don't see the big deal. The shade was just a tiny bit off and I feel if you're a regular viewer who probably doesn't care about nitpicks like this which is what the release is made for? I don't see the big deal."
Again, I tried to focus primarily on the most aggressive bits and tuned the responses accordingly with the bluntest I get being the last one about "Tintgate" which for those who don't know refers to the "controversy" where US Blu-Rays of Super: Broly had this odd slight green tint to the footage which for like 90% of the regular public wasn't even going to be noticeable but for some reason it got a bunch of people extremely angry and declaring that they would not buy the Blu-Ray over something so utterly inconsequential to the viewing experience. I explained why I think this whole thing is still ridiculous and went onto explain a bit about how mistakes like that can sometimes happen and that unless it is something that actively hampers the experience beyond just a slight color difference I really don't think it's that bad. The response by him was just as big and as such, we'll take it in parts:
"No, and when I mean no, I mean hell no. Mario is way more interesting it terms of stories and in terms of quality. Sega playing around with stories made them fail while Nintendo actually played their cards right and gave fans what they wanted to play and see when it comes to the tone and stories. And Sega never went for something that was for shonen anime. NINTENDO did that and they succeeded in doing this. Also no the reason why you see so much praise is because people don’t know what they are talking about and defend these new crappy stories because they know they are terrible. Those who are actually fans of Sonic know these newer stories are terrible. And there are no Rose tinted glasses. It’s literally just the facts. Sonic Team has never written a serious story ever since Sonic 06, and no, everytime they write a light hearted kiddie story, they ultimately fail to realize what the fans want from them. Sonic as a franchise doesn’t do well with a balance. Mario as a franchise is the one that does well."
You'll find this a trend with his comments, he's really fond of just declaring "Hell no." in regards to these things which along with the "Uh, no." I've seen I just got to say is one of the most disrespectful things you can put down but let's move onto the basic breakdown of the rest of this. First, note that a new element is added when he says that Mario is way more interesting in terms of stories and in terms of quality which... first off I don't know how quality can be interesting and second, I stated specifically that I understand the sentiment and used phrases like "for me" to make it very clear that this is how I viewed things. I will say this helps less so in terms of how I worded that last bit where I said basically the reason why those older games are getting praise is due to the kids who played those games growing into adulthood and thus rose-tinted glasses are in effect which in hindsight I could've worded better. In my defense though, I am building off of what I said in the original post which if you recall was worded in such a way that you knew exactly who I was talking about when I referred to those who excessively go on about how Sonic was better in the original 3D era and not just regular fans who simply dislike the direction the series is heading in i.e. fans like this who declare it as just being the facts or in this case "literally the facts" which is not only misusing "literally" in such a way it makes the English professor part of my brain scream, that last bit makes me roll my eyes because these are not facts, these are opinions.
I also would like to note that some of the points here flat out don't make much sense at all. For example, he claims Sonic Team has never written a serious story ever since Sonic 06 which I guess just means he completely disregards Unleashed, Secret Rings and Black Knight which all had fairly serious stories and he says Sonic doesn't do well with a balance when... yes he does. Hell I pointed out in my post that a problem the franchise has is that it often either goes way too far in one direction or it just has no clue what direction it's going in which harms the product and the general reception of those games are what it has to show for it and it's points like this which make me wonder if he's just one of those users who's trying to be contrarian just for the sake of it:
"Tropey can be bad regardless and it’s NOT how the series uses the tropes. It IS the tropes themselves. And no the fan service isn’t the problem here and it’s never been stupid and shouldn’t be buried. Also using MHA is not a good example because not a lot of people like that anime especially for the tropes. It doesn’t use the tropes well and they don’t always work. And no, NOBODY is a cynical critic because those who criticize the anime actually knows what they are talking about. Yeah no I don’t see how anyone can actually have enjoyment from this."
This is a good example of a point where it seems like someone has simultaneously read the response I gave and hasn't. For one thing, no it's mostly how a series uses tropes that makes something good or bad. Tropes are at their core just tools and they pop up in multiple pieces of media for a reason. To try and make something that doesn't use any tropes that exist is ultimately pointless because at this point, there is no new tale to tell, it's all in how you tell it and trying to achieve the goal of being completely original in every sense more often than not just leads to something that's either super esoteric and out there which will only be understood by the most well-read of experts or just plain pretentious. That's the closest I think I will get to touting something as potentially an objective fact because seriously people, every piece of media you consume will in some form or another have recognizable tropes, complaining about just seeing them is like complaining you have cheese on your pizza. That being said? There are tropes that as I said can be bad like say the accidental fanservice trope where due to events, a main character does something like either flip a skirt or grope the female by complete accident which is done for the sake of fanservice and often at the expense of the moment it's a part of. That trope was especially prevalent in mid-2000s shows and deserves nothing more to be forgotten, not fanservice itself like the comment said, just this trope in general. Moving past the MHA bit because there's not much I have to say other than "Well the reason I used it as an example is because it's my post and it is admittedly tropey."? It is entirely possible to be an overly cynical critic and this leads me to once again another point.
Just because you don't experience something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Case in point, I've been on the internet long enough to have seen many exhausting examples of critics who have become so burnt out on aspects of media that instead of judging something for its own merits, they jump to saying its bad purely because it's something they've seen before. This is often what you see from people like the Nostalgia Critic and so many others. Now it's entirely possible you've not encountered these kinds of people but trust me, they exist and many will be more than happy to tell you about them. Taking a "I'll believe it when I see it attitude" to this degree more often than not will cause more trouble than it's worth because it leads to you getting into situations where you are unempathetic about the plights your friends experience, are out of the loop on various issues in the world and thus you are woefully unprepared to engage in any debate and more. Now if you are not looking to debate? That's fine but in that case, you can just as easily say you're not looking to have a debate and that will be totally okay and preferable since it means you're humble enough to admit you're not the most knowledgeable to engage in something like this or better yet, just don't address the parts you're the least knowledgeable about or ask for clarification. It's way better than going for this option where you just seem to be incredibly ignorant:
"Tintgate was NOT overblown and the green tint was never the problem. And no it WAS a deal breaker. When making Blu rays, you don’t make mistakes like that, that will cost money and all of the color timing and color graft can’t be redone at times. Mistakes can’t be made dude. And also no, if anything like that ever happens, it IS a big deal. The shade wasn’t a bit off and no if you’re a regular viewer, you’re going to notice this type of crap and they aren’t nitpicks, they are actually criticism. So no, they are a big deal. End of story."
This one baffles me because he literally says tintgate which is specifically about the green tint was not overblown and in the same sentence states the green tint was never the problem. My best guess is he was trying to say the issue was more about an issue like this slipping through the cracks... which would mean the green tint is the problem and this is where the wording just utterly falls to pieces and comes across as more than a little contrarian. Next, note that he's speaking about color timing and color grading as if he knows the process but he really doesn't. My source on how color timing and grading works comes from two videos. One is about how the color timing process works and another is about The Matrix which uses it as a jumping off point to discuss why media, especially movies, can differ in look going from the big screen to the small one and that's because a lot of the color grading and color timing often has to be redone and sometimes, small issues can happen in that process that results in a transfer that has differences from that release and that in this case, it's not that noticeable. Hell it matches with how the movie looked when it was played in theaters and considering the Blu-Ray is made for the average consumer and not the hardcore Dragon Ball fan? Most people I don't think will care and honestly quite a bit of the reaction from average viewers supports that claim. Like I said before, it's okay if you disagree and on the post, I mentioned that my points were not on whether or not it should be there in the first place since I personally could care less and more spoke about it in terms of how it compares with other Dragon Ball home releases and other botched releases because when you make that comparison? It really shows how minor and insignificant this issue really was at least to me. Trying to argue this as if this is some sacred law is just kind of ridiculous.
But we're not done. Next up is my post simply labelled "Six Unpopular Opinions" where I saw this little gem at the top:
"Dark fate sucks, last Jedi sucks. Super sucks. And Halloween 2018 should have never discarded the continuity."
Very simple and typical of what you'd expect from him at this point so it's not worth getting into it that much and that's what I did for my reply, I mainly focused on the last one said this:
"Honestly, I strongly disagree on that last one. Now I get it, as horror fans we for some reason do value continuity quite a bit and in the age of the 80s, it's very likely that someone's first exposure to a series would be one of its sequels and throwing out that story that you yourself spent so much time getting invested into does feel like a slap to the face.
That being said? If I'm being brutally honest, Halloween's ongoing narrative from the original timeline... sucked. It is the series I think about whenever I want to show someone what a lack of planning actually results in because its timeline is a disaster loaded with plot contrivances, retcons made to facilitate twists that do not fit for this series, character assassination, character wasting and so many more issues and it all can be traced back to Halloween II's choice to have Michael and Laurie be brother and sister which completely destroyed the whole point of Michael which is that he is a cold unfeeling killer who you are not supposed to actually understand. If you ask me, 2018 film or not? Disregarding the continuity was just the better option. It frees the story up from all that baggage and allows for more interesting ideas to flourish."
Again, not much to go over here. I'm courteous to the point while also disagreeing hard with it. This leads to this... I don't know if you can call it a gem:
"Hell no. you’re tripping if you actually think that. Halloween from the original 80s DID NOT suck. It rocked and it’s way better than the new one. Also bruh you want a lack of planning? Look at the new halloween movies. It’s full of disaster and complete bullshit stories that make no sense. Also there were no plot contrivances, character assassinations or any retcons or character wasting. That’s all on the new continuity. also Michael and Laurie being brother and sister DOES NOT destroy the entire plot, nobody said a thing about Luke being leia’s brother and it doesn’t destroy any point of Michael being a killer. It actually improves on it. Nobody had the feeling of him being a killer you do not understand. Disregarding the continuity was a shit idea and you defending let’s me know you don’t know anything about movies. No it overcrowds the story and removes any development building from the original continuity that was more flourishing and way more interesting. Stop with the cap."
First off, minor note here, Halloween came out in 1978. I know, dick move to pull but still that threw me off a bit, especially when I said I adored the original Halloween. Next, another note to make here, do not say that someone is "tripping" or that they are lying just because you disagree with them. People I really don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a condescending dick but this is basic opinion stuff. If I give an opinion? I am giving my take on something and I always strive to be honest so what you'll get is my honest opinion. There is absolutely no good reason for me to lie about what I think here since we are talking about media. Saying that someone is lying is a good way to not only lose respect but it's also gonna ensure that the person you're interacting with is not gonna take you the least bit seriously. Another way you can ensure that is pulling the "Well you saying this shows you don't know anything" card which I'm just gonna be blunt is a dumb fucking card to pull and should never be brought out.
People, let me break it to you this way, you don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of something to defend anything. There's a difference between not knowing about a series and trying to speak on it like you do which isn't great and simply speaking about something you have seen and having an opinion on it. That being said, it's even more embarrassing when someone does have knowledge on this subject. Like here's just a quick spoiler, in the last post he made, he's gonna have a bit about how he doubts I even watched the Dragon Ball movies to make my opinion which is ridiculous not only because I don't need to have watched every Dragon Ball movie to make my opinions but also as I said before, I have seen all the movies subbed and dubbed and even included extras like Evolution and the bootleg live-action movies and the boredom I felt is proof of that. It gives me flashbacks to a time when I mentioned Starkiller and how he's much more ridiculous in power than Rey in one of the many discussions I got into with people about her supposedly being a "Mary Sue" and used him ripping the Star Destroyer out of the sky as an example when another user tried to "Um actually..." me by bringing up that he never did this as shown in the novel only for that guy to go very quiet when I actually busted out an exact quote from the novel showing he was incorrect. Is that pathetic? Yes but seriously people, it is never a good idea to do this. You're just making sure that no one will be able to take you seriously and also if you did just so happen to bump into a superfan? Well good fucking luck trying to defend that point.
Not much more really to go into here, aside from one aspect and that's how the brother-sister thing really did take away from Michael. Carpenter has stated on many occasions that the whole point of Michael Myers is that he's a killer you don't understand. You're not supposed to get why he snapped one day and killed his sister, you're not supposed to understand why he's stalking Laurie and her friends specifically, he's a mere shape of a man, hence his title of "The Shape". Adding the brother-sister twist to it and later on the stuff involving the cult of Thorn and Samhain rituals results in this idea becoming very muddied because it gives the motiveless killer a motive and it comes at the expense of resulting in a load of questions like why does Michael bothers to go out of his way to kill anyone else if he just wants Laurie? If he just needs to kill all his family members to break the curse, wouldn't Michael just be better off killing Jamie instead of having sex with her to make an incest baby (Yes that was a thing.)? And to top it all off, all these additional details coupled with the stuff about him being filled with rage results in a character who isn't themselves anymore. Also as for the stuff about the movies feeling unplanned? Let me put it this way, David Gordon Green stated he and Danny McBride started the planning for Kills during production on 2018 but backed off when they decided they should wait to see the reaction first and when it was successful? They then wrote out plans for Kills and Ends.
The plan changed with Ends which was supposed to take place on the same night as 2018 and Kills but that's because the pandemic forced his hand though thankfully due to being a slasher which, while difficult, are still some of the easier films to make for lower budgets and having time thanks to the pandemic with Kills being a completed film? He was able to retool things to where it's looking like the series is on track. Also the same creative team has worked on every movie meaning there's a level of consistency you don't usually get. With the previous Halloween films, no one had any clue on what they were doing. Halloween II was something John Carpenter was forced to make unless he wanted to face a lawsuit and he cranked that script out in I believe either a night or a short weekend while he was incredibly drunk and/or high. H4 was rushed due to the writer's strike at the time that was coming up in the 80s and H5 was rushed into production just a little bit after H4's success with filming starting before they even finalized the script and there were elements introduced that were just there for the next film to pick up and explain and that's not even getting into things like the inconsistencies with the Myers house changing, Michael's motivation changing and so many more elements. It's not wrong to state that the original series wasn't planned out in any capacity.
Moving on from this we have the final post where the guy just stated that they thought Broly wasn't a lifeless villain which is simple enough. I then replied that while Super's take wasn't, as someone who saw both the English and Japanese versions of the original movie, old Broly was though I said an asterisk could be included because Bin Shimada, Broly's Japanese seiyu, owns that role and really makes me understand why some people would be attached to him. The reply I got back was this:
"Super‘s take is overrated. I highly doubt you watched through all of the movies, he isn’t dull and he HAS character unlike Super Broly who has no traits. Vic OWNS this role and most people grew up and made and attachment with Z broly. You’re wrong."
I already covered my thoughts on why it is ridiculous to do this whole "I doubt you did this" nonsense in a response so I don't have much I can really say here but to just make a rebuttal to these claims and get really blunt about one aspect of this. The claim that OG Broly has traits while Super Broly lacks them is odd. In Super: Broly, he is meek and a simple, almost Tarzan-like guy when we meet him as an adult, we see he has an innocent view of a lot of things but generally is polite. But being potentially the Legendary Super Saiyan means he has this rage inside him that exploded and resulted in him causing large amounts of damage in his fight with Goku and Vegeta and that's partially because he kind of hates Vegeta for what his family did to him though he's mostly an unwilling pawn used by Paragus to enact his vengeance and later in Super Hero, we see he maintains that personality on top of being very apologetic and also willing to learn and listen, we also see that battle genuinely excites him. Z Broly... is literally just a meek guy who was driven to insanity because of a baby crying that led to him getting yolked out. He only is able to scream out the protagonist's name and because he's the main villain with Paragus really doing nothing except setting up the plan to have the Dragon Team ended by a comet, he's overall quite pitiful as a villain with barely any personality to him. Hell the traits he does have were used prior by other movie villains and would continue to be used after him. As for his dub VA... well since this guy namedropped him and was incredibly disrespectful coupled with this not being a regular unpopular opinion post? I've held my tongue when it comes to him but now it's time to get blunt, Vic is SHIT in this role.
I know people, he is the guy most grew up with in the west voicing this character but that's all he is and I will die on this hill, the only reason Vic got as much love as he did for his role as Broly was nostalgia because when you go back and listen to his performance and compare it to Bin Shimada or even other foreign dubs? He just does not compare. His screams are often a single tone and do not match the character as they sound more like yawns than screams, his voice performance, while matching Bin Shimada's in terms of the gravel that's in the voice, fail because Broly sounds more like a generic psychopath rather than what he should be played as which is a normal dude that is currently losing it and in the sequels he just got worse and worse, the games were where he tried at least a little more but then we're back to sucking again with Super: Broly where his performance is okay as base Broly but when he really has to cut loose and scream? He doesn't bother and in one case they outright have to LOOP one of his screams because he couldn't be assed to do another take where he let loose. Bin Shimada got me to see at least why someone would love Broly because that performance goes so hard it elevates the crap material the character has. With Vic? The man makes Broly as boring as his concept and quite frankly, even before he was booted from this industry for being a creepy sex pest (And before you ask, no I am not willing to hear other points of view on this as someone who has had friends harassed in that whole mess and has spent way too much time studying it. This is unrelated to his acting ability but should be said anyway, he is a creep who I'm glad is out of that industry.)? I kind of wished he would've been recast earlier.
And with that said, that's where this saga meets its end. So overall, what's the takeaway here? Simple, on opinion posts like the ones I made, just don't be a dick to others. Opinions on media are not as complicated or as serious as some make them out to be. It's okay to have disagreements on topics and entirely possible to do that while being civil. I'm more than happy to have an honest discussion with people. However, you should understand if you're online and you post stuff like this guy? You are going to lose respect quickly and quite frankly, it will be no one's fault but your own if the user you're commenting on chooses to utterly eviscerate you with their words or chooses to just drop you. Respect is a two-way street for strangers, you are not owed respect and your opinions are not fact even if they are shared by other people. With all that said, thanks for reading, I'm probably not gonna do anything like this again because I kind of hate being negative. Though it felt good to get all that out.
Feel free to comment down below and until the next post, I hope you all stay safe and golden.
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