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wwwarea In reply to LeoFan85 [2015-05-11 21:48:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeah it's sad. Though I was really mad at the causes of deep depression by a certain person that caused it only because a guy asked for something fictional that could be against the rules, (Which is still bad to react so bad that it would lead to possible suicidal thoughts). It really made me mad.. :/

And thank you. I was also defending others I think.

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LeoFan85 In reply to wwwarea [2015-05-11 22:58:56 +0000 UTC]

Even so, that person needs to understand that EVERYONE has their limits in what they will and will NOT do in their art/stories and shouldn't harass that person after they clearly said no to his/her request(s).  Bullying is unacceptable, period.  But in the end, we all find out who our true friends are and those who don't get that no means no aren't worth our time.

You're welcome.^_^

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wwwarea In reply to LeoFan85 [2015-05-11 23:47:26 +0000 UTC]

I think what happened was a guy asked for something some other people thought was 'sick' and 'disgusting' then another guy went in and uploaded a snapshot of the comment, then his friends went on and spread a bunch of hatred toward the guy who asked for that 'sick' and 'disgusting' thing. The worst part is that they believe they are not bullies I think. :/ And clearly wishes anyone who stand up to get an 'ED' page (A site that even DA blocked).

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LeoFan85 In reply to wwwarea [2015-05-12 04:41:00 +0000 UTC]

Are you freaking kidding me?!  It's one thing if you politely tell someone that you can't accept their request because what they want from you is something that you're not willing to do, but to have a BULLY who DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STICK HIS/HER NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG come along to bash you until you leave DA for good?!  People like that are the ones who deserve to be banned, not the victims!  And most certainly not the ones who dared to defy them!

That's probably because their heads are up their freaking asses and they don't give a shit about who they hurt as long as they get what they want.  Hell yeah, DA blocked ED because it's a freaking bully/troll/so on's paradise.  A couple of my watchers have ED pages.  One of them cleaned up her act and the other's trying to forget the people that bullied her because of her art.

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wwwarea In reply to LeoFan85 [2015-05-13 10:03:08 +0000 UTC]

Yeah although the guy did ask for something that could break DA rules, but it was still wrong to do that and could of been handled better or something. xD

Yeah I agree, and it sucks.
In a way, ED is meant to not be taken seriously but my research suggests that some parts of it is based off serious, and that it still effects people bad. Either way yeah they blocked it I think, and I hate it when people do this against another.  

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LeoFan85 In reply to wwwarea [2015-05-14 03:17:26 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.  Bashing will get you nowhere.

I hate that too, man.  But some people just don't care.

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wwwarea In reply to exotier [2015-05-11 06:22:36 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't overreacting. In fact, all my fears (or most) came true, which confirms my beliefs as to why I react. And considering, how is it 'overreacting' to address a type of harassment that tried to lead someone to end there own life? That sounds very serious.
www.suicide.org/suicide-causes…

It can be if someone uses there opinion involving other people and spreading that hatred, and pretending it's a "fact" when by dictionary, "opinions" are not meant to be based off fact, and how these people act like there opinion of "gross" is "superior". < Bigotry. Another thing I can say, an opinion is not an excuse to be an ass hole.
Though, some beliefs can be based off fact, so it's complicated.

Exactly, but according to those people, it's a one-way street, and whenever I speak for the care, I get attacked with snapshots, insults, and just plain hatred.
It's not exactly a normal debate from them. It's nothing but attacking. "Please leave DA" vs "I don't exactly agree honestly"
I also wasn't violating anyone's speech by making a journal about what happened.

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exotier In reply to wwwarea [2015-05-11 06:53:05 +0000 UTC]

Well sure, but by definition, suicide is a voluntary action.
You can lead a horse to water, but if it drinks, it's by its own volition.
You're not really force-feeding water into the horse.

For the second part, there is no objective right and wrong in a argument involving morality. However, everyone's perceives their own opinion as superior as part of the nature of opinions. If they did not think of that opinion as the better one, they would not accept it as their own. 

I fear of creating a strawman fallacy right now, but I'll just assume that you think the aforementioned person's perception of repulsiveness is wrong and that the subject thinks that your opposition to his opinion is wrong based on the somewhat-limited context. Opinions are just thoughts, information that you can either choose to accept or reject. The other guy may find some things gross, but that's completely fine. I find spiders gross, but I'm highly unlikely to be labeled as a "bug racist".

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wwwarea In reply to exotier [2015-05-11 07:03:50 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, nobody asked to be deeply depressed, bullying is one of the cause of suicide. Example: It's society to blame for bullying homosexual people back then, they made there lives miserable, and caused them to do that. When someone makes a life miserable, there lives become more hopeless, and less choices, which can cause someone to end there life possibly.. I blame those who made there lives crappy. It could be a "choice" (Is free will even real?), but the effects can make them 'choose' that more.

Someone forcing a moral and it involves violating someone's own expression, causing them to bully them (Or other negative things in effect toward the individual) because of there beliefs, then action needs to be done.

Hmm not sure what you mean but calling someone wrong doesn't exactly censor them it's self.. Even though I DO think some speech should be if it's involving bullying for example.
And yeah, it's fine to find something gross personality, but this guy for example makes sure that his friends attack them, and force there opinion against them. I personality find human feet gross, but I don't go out there and force that personal opinion down another person's throat and upload snapshots about people liking them. :/ Know what I mean? xD

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exotier In reply to wwwarea [2015-05-11 07:24:31 +0000 UTC]

Good point.
However, my assumption was based on both members finding each-other's opinions to be wrong, without the element of censorship. I suggest an attempt at a civil debate, and if it is met with minimal to no success, there is always the "block-button ex machina" method. They can't really force any opinions down people's throats on the internet where there's an implemented block function.

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wwwarea In reply to exotier [2015-05-11 07:35:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

Blocking can help, though, it won't stop people from trying to upload snapshots and journals about others and try to hurt there reputation or something with them, though.
I believe uploading stuff directed at users should be restricted for sites like DA, but for commenting, I think that should be allowed. Like you know, a normal debate or even a normal fight (At least for DA or Youtube. xD). Journals more generally may depend, idk. xD

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