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labba94 In reply to gdpr-23476502 [2015-07-11 00:07:27 +0000 UTC]

Hmm this is an interesting topic xDI can say the same about your comments here, they were pretty interesting! There's just one little thing I'd like to point out, if I may

You said that "having a fetish doesn't obligate you to post online about it", and that "fetishes are private information, not something you tell someone while introducing yourself". Sure, nobody forces you to talk about your fetishes on the Internet... but if I look at your page, I do find a line that tells me you're straight. And I have plenty of friends who are asexuals, pansexuals etc., who're pretty open about it too and who wrote what their sexuality is in their deviantIDs as well. What I'm trying to say is that people think it's normal to talk about one's own sexual orientation, even while introducing oneself (because if someone comes to your page for the first time, reading your infos there counts as an introduction): and well, I've always thought of fetishes as... sexual orientations. More or less.

I know it might look odd But think about it: what makes a lesbian lesbian? The fact that guys don't turn her on, but girls do. For most fetishists, their fetish is not just an accessory... but a substitute of sex, so the same thing applies: a foot fetishist might not even be looking for sex because only feet can arouse him, just like a lesbian would not seek sex because only other girls are exciting to her. I'm not trying to compare the two things of course, but I'm just saying that the basic principle is pretty much the same. So, if one feels like it's right to say 'Sorry guys, but I'm lesbian so only other girls can turn me on', I also think it's right for, say, a foot fetishist to introduce himself as such, specifying that only feet can turn him on.

I won't comment on how people would react to the two situations (you and the author of this stamp already did it, and we all know the average person would be puzzled by the foot fetishist and not by the lesbian ): I just wanted to explain why most fetishists feel like they should be open about their passions, at least on the Internet I'm one of them too, after all: and yeah, I know this may be risky just like that lesbian from my example could be attacked as well by homophobes for having been open about her sexuality... but I'm aware of this fact, so I'd not react if people thought badly of me Though I'm just glad it never happened so far, I must say

So yeah, just this: as someone who's open about his own fetishes on the net, I did want to put my two cents in: I also read you like talking with people, so I hope this reply of mine didn't disturb you!

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gdpr-23476502 In reply to labba94 [2015-07-14 10:37:34 +0000 UTC]

Oh thanks for replying, even though I already discussed about this with the other person and don't really even remember
what I replied xDD You have good points, that's a one way to view things for sure. ^^ I'll keep those in mind next time I'm
wondering about fetishes haha, thanks for pointing them out ^ ^

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wwwarea In reply to labba94 [2015-07-11 06:32:05 +0000 UTC]

I think a "fetish" is part of an orientation. Even if that's wrong, I still think people should be open to express it like homosexuality, etc, and that others need to respect others for expressing it. As long if people don't actually force it in there face (e.g. "You better like it, you better see it! Link link link!) xD

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wwwarea In reply to gdpr-23476502 [2015-06-15 08:19:55 +0000 UTC]

I think I agree for the top part. At this time, it's risky, but I do think we need to bring in more rules, and that more people need to stand up so we could lower the hurtful hatred.
I hide myself due to this crap..
Well I don't agree unless you mean it in a different way. Many people do not have to hide there common sexuality like kissing, etc.. I do not think a tamed down expression or identity should remain "closed" just because other people think that "fetish" = "extreme" on it's self as if tamed down is "worse" than kissing. I find it censorship and unfair. I can understand if a "fetish" involves extreme bypassing the tagging in safe areas, but tamed down expressions shouldn't and more beyond should be allowed in places that allow it too (fair tagging).
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Maybe that could be. I wish we can educate the world to the fact that people will have different natural arousing likes to different alternative things, and that I think we need to stop lebeling those people as "bizarre", "weird", etc. just because the likes are different. I think it's not a choice to like it, so it's unexplainable and doesn't need to be explained, just like the common stuff. We should just carefully focus on avoiding harm like anything.

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gdpr-23476502 In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-15 12:15:51 +0000 UTC]

Well I agree with you that every form of bullying is wrong, I bet no one disagrees with that.
It's good that you stand for other people and try to do the right thing. As much I'd like to see
a world that is only full of happiness and love and tolerance, I'm maybe a little bit too much of
a pessimist to think that will ever happen. :/

I get your points but I'd like to bring some other points in too. Like you saying about these common
things like kissing etc. I think I have to disagree with that a little bit. What I know, a lot of people
do not like seeing other people kissing on the streets for example. It's not good etiquette.
I hate seeing couples groping each others/making out in public.
 
When that comes to talking about it as a subject, well yes kissing and stuff is much more "acceptable"
thing to discuss about. And that is exacly because it is common. A lot of people do it. Pretty much everyone
(but still not all). Most of us get what it is about and why we like it.

And of course if you have a fetish, you are free to express it however you want, but then you have to deal
with the possible consequences. Like insults. Because you are not alone in this world. When you do stuff, there
can be consequences. That is life. And people kissing on the streets can get insults like "Get a room!" etc too.
The key is to just not give a shit about what other people say. 

Everyone can do whatever they want in private. But there are rules when you are in public. Like, you can't
take all your clothes off even if you're a nudist and you can't piss on the wall because it's nasty. I don't even get why
someone would or should want to express they fetishes in public. Like, why should anyone even give a damn? Isn't
fetishes something you tell only to those that you are going to express it with? And not to everyone around you?

In the internet though I agree that fetishes should be allowed in places that are for stuff like that. Where are other
people who are interested in that stuff. And so on. 

I agree that people should be educated more about this since it is true that people have different tastes. But then again,
if someone is really into scat for example (and does it irl too not just fantasizing about it), isn't it really bizarre? Like,
messing around with poop is a taboo, people find it nasty. People having a scat fetish is really marginal, so it is unexpected
and uncommon. And so on, bizarre. What's wrong with being bizarre or weird? I know I might be weird in some areas of life,
but so what. That's me. I am confident in myself so I don't even give a shit if someone calls me weird. 

Annd kissing and hugging and having sex is easily explained. Actually, it doesn't even need to be explained for people to
understand it. I myself am not a huge fan of kissing but I do get why people like it. I love hugging and that is because I can
feel the person close to me. But, when someone for example has an inflation fetish, I do not get it. Of course I won't go and
insult the person for having it but I do might ask why does they like it. For 9 times out of 10, they can't explain it to me
at all. I think that if you like something or are into something a lot, you should be able to at least somehow explain why. Why
does it make you feel good? If their answer is ''it's none of your business'' or that i don't even have to get it, then it's really
hard for me to accept them. That doesn't mean I can't accept them, but that it's hard to do so. People want answers and 
explanations, that's just how we work. Or at least how I work.

What is exacly what you'd like people to behave or do? Do you just want people to accept fetishes or what? Is it wrong
in your opinion, if someone dislikes a certain fetish (well this is a stupid question but I ask it anyways xD) ? 

Feel free to point anything if there's flaws in my thinking! I would love to understand more about fetishes but it's somehow
really hard.

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wwwarea In reply to gdpr-23476502 [2015-06-15 23:18:16 +0000 UTC]

Well I mean how people moderately show it, and such in art, etc.

And hmm, well 'kissing' was just an example too.

Yes like I said, it's risky. But people can learn to accept it, and I think we need more policies. I want people to feel free and open to express there different identity in a similar manner like the common stuff.

Well that's not exactly fair. I mean, 'peeing on the walls' is beyond moderate', but I believe for example: Expressing that you love someone based off a "fetish" should NOT be censored or not acceptable. Like it's unfair that people with the common way of liking someone gets too, but a tamed down version of a "fetish" way has to be 'censored' by some. And considering, not everyone accepts people expressing tamed down boobs, kissing, hugging, etc, etc.. but often "everyone" accepts that still.
If you mean like a "fetish" that goes beyond moderation like for example: Rather than a simple tamed down 'vore/love' expressing to show your identity, you show 'things' with it that breaks the matured tag or other safe ratings in public. Then oh I think I see..

"I agree that people sh.."
Sorry, I need to start quoting so we don't get lost. xD Also will quote short to keep messages more short.
It's true that some "fetishes" can break the moderate easily like Scat. Though, how about that if someone for example, somehow didn't show any 'poop', and found some for an identity showing without breaking that? It's also possible that some 'taboos' need to no longer be 'taboos', though I am not sure about this personality. However, any other "fetish" seems way less extreme though. E.g. I extremely hate it when people view feet or vore so extreme when it's not. I mean it's no different than common, it's just different.
And hmm, personality I don't want to be labeled "special" or "weird", instead, I like to express my own as a 'normal person' as I heard from another person that 'being different' = normal; true normal. xD Perhaps it's not a huge deal sometimes, but the belief can cause effects maybe.

"Annd kissing and hugging and having sex is easily exp..."
Can kissing or 'intercourse' be really explained too? I mean you can understand it around it, that it involves loving, but you cannot explain why this works this way while loving. As for "fetishes" again, I believe they fall under the same way. Example: "Wanting to be 'eaten' is very simple, you love the person so much that you want to be taken over". < I guess in sexuality, there is two paths, where you love the person so much that the person 'taking over you' is a sign of you loving the person or wanting to be taken over. Or a better example: Liking for example, them being super fat, is more of an alternative way of finding a person attractive, just like finding there 'common parts' attractive. I think that's an understanding thing we can do.. Perhaps we should educate this more.

As for your last part, I think that's a little odd. They do not need an explanation in order to accept, they should just learn to accept whatever interest they have. I have a friend who is into 'toilet' stuff, I do not understand, but it's because it's not mine. People will like differences and that it's not much of a choice. There is no 'reason of choice' and people should just see it like that and see that they cannot explain it purely other than just explaining that it's there alternative. I mean, it's still possible to accept it that way. Asking someone why you have a "fetish" is the same as asking someone "Why do you like the color blue"?
I think that's one thing we should tell them too.

"What is exacly what you'd like people to behave or do? Do you just want people to accept fetishes or what? Is it wrong
in your opinion, if someone dislikes a certain fetish (well this is a stupid question but I ask it anyways xD) ?"
I just want them to respect others for coming out and not use insulting names involving them with that just because they think it's "weird" when in reality, everyone will like things differently with no question.
They do not have to like someone's "fetish" but they can learn to control there emotions and respect what is out there in the public from someone else not them. Just like how I can control that horrible common boob, human kissing, etc stuff.
I think "fetishes" should be viewed as something possible to have 'tamed' down similar to the common stuff. If there is an extreme version of a "fetish" then control it just like the common stuff. xD


"Feel free to p.."
Thanks.

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gdpr-23476502 In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-16 10:41:38 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the reply! It's been so long since I've had an actual conversation with somebody without fighting xD (People get so easily offended here)

I read you comment but it was kinda hard for me to understand what you mean (I don't know that much about this subject), so I'll ask some questions?
What do you practically mean with "I want people to feel free and open to express there different identity in a similar manner like the common stuff."
Like I understand in a way but what would that expression be? What would they do? Can't they do that already? I don't know. Could you tell some examples
of these situations?

"E.g. I extremely hate it when people view feet or vore so extreme when it's not. I mean it's no different than common, it's just different."
Hmm well that's odd even in my opinion if someone thinks feet fetish is extreme xD I've started understanding vore alittle bit just recently, so I guess it's kinda
normal too in it's way. xD Especially if someone likes it for the psychological meaning like you said, that you love someone so much you want to take over etc.
But you know, people are still scared of even homosexuals so it's not a surprise that feet fetish or vore makes people offended. People should be educated more,
but what fetish people can do is to understand us "normals" that we are scared of everything unknown or stuff that we don't understand. We don't do it because
of evilness, we are just clueless. (I include myself in these people because I don't (yet) have any fetishes considered as extreme)

"Can kissing or 'intercourse' be really explained too?" Well I think yes. I bet there's tons of books about it. And it can always be explained (at least intercourse)
through biology. Kissing is a thing maybe because lips are very sensitive, so pressing them against each others feels good. And love is easy to show while feeling good.

Well asking why someone has a fetish is not the same as asking what it is they like about in that certain fetish. You could already explain vore to me. Of course having
a liking of something is not a choice, people like stuff they like, but asking what they like about it is something that you can possibly answer if you have taken some
time to think. (Same as if you have a favorite video game, and someone asks you what do you like in that game. I haven't yet heard anyone answer "I don't know, I just like it")

Of course I don't mean people MUST have an explanation, I'm okay if they don't. Since it's not my business in the end. It's just that I am myself curious and would like to know how they view
things so I could maybe learn about it.

I agree with your last part tho xD

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wwwarea In reply to gdpr-23476502 [2015-06-17 04:46:12 +0000 UTC]

"I read you comment but..."
Like for example: The common stuff is like where people express a lot of things based off the common relationships and talks about popular things like 'boobs', 'kissing', etc, etc.. And that some of those stuff even more tamed down are more open and accepted.
A 'fetish' can have the same possibility too. Like say, if I liked 'vore' and it's how I loved someone (Fictional or.. real (Basically imaginary I guess)) and I wanted to express it in a tamed down and open way like the rest.

"People should be educated more,
but what fetish people can do is to understand us "normals" that we are scared of everything unknown or stuff that we don't understand. We don't do it because of evilness, we are just clueless. (I include myself in these people because I don't (yet) have any fetishes considered as extreme)"
I am not very sure on that though. 

Perhaps that can be a reason to some people, however, I am not sure if that's the only reason for all.

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Anonomous343 In reply to ??? [2015-06-10 04:37:23 +0000 UTC]

I think people should have the right to free speech, whether they use it well or poorly, but I agree with you that it is kind of pointless to judge a person because of a fetish. (the exception is when it falls under blatantly untrue slander and death threats, etc.) I understand that a fetish which someone enacts in real life harms another person (like cannibalism) needs to be dealt with by authorities but other than that, why would we need to step in? It is okay to not like something and even think it's distasteful, but you can still respect a person who likes it. Even if the fetish is something violent, if they've never enacted it in real life, they haven't actually hurt anyone, other than maybe scarring their own minds, so why do people feel the need to be mean to them... I totally know what you mean. It would be like I decided because I dislike pee or poop to tell someone they were a horrible person because they had a pee or poop fetish. What good would honestly come of that? Not that I should not have the right to say that but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should... That same person could and should be able to come and slam me for something that I like... although same logic applies to them... I wish more people would understand that. It is okay to voice your opinion about a fetish but you should to do it respectfully. Like: "I don't like this or it disgusts me, because x, y, z, things that it entails or may lead to." That is fine but no need to use epithets or hate a person because of a fetish.  

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wwwarea In reply to Anonomous343 [2015-06-10 04:49:52 +0000 UTC]

In a way yeah, though, I believe if it falls into effecting people's lives, I believe there should be a legal stand against, similar to cyberbullying (Also it can easily fit into cyberbullying too, I updated the stamp info) or the current legal hate speech. Perhaps yeah, people should have every right to not like a fetish, and even explain in the right spot about why they are not a fan (I suggest not posting that randomly on a place that's all about the fetish for others).

I am confused about this part of your comment though: "That same person could and should be able to come and slam me for something that I like...", I wasn't clear on that part. xD

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Anonomous343 In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-10 07:59:00 +0000 UTC]

I like... vore x3

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wwwarea In reply to Anonomous343 [2015-06-10 10:34:05 +0000 UTC]

Oh, that's cool. xD

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Fronky-Plz In reply to ??? [2015-06-09 18:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Well, wouldn't that be awesome? People could masturbate to carcrashes, childbirth, baby jesus buttplugs, unbirthing, abortion smoothies and child pregnancy without being judged.

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wwwarea In reply to Fronky-Plz [2015-06-09 23:56:50 +0000 UTC]

Are you trying to expect me to feel 'weird out' by that list? As if I should change my mind? (Depending on subjective opinions)
Not to sound mean but that's kinda what it sounds like. I am sorry if that's not what you meant.

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Fronky-Plz In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-10 16:38:02 +0000 UTC]

I know they're extreme examples, but what I was trying to say was that when people post/brag about their fetish(es) on the internet, they will be judged at one time or another. I know it can hurt, but they kinda bring it upon themselves sometimes.

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wwwarea In reply to Fronky-Plz [2015-06-11 00:24:48 +0000 UTC]

It's still not the "fetish fans" fault. It's those who continue to cross the line/not respect those who do come out with it. Which I believe needs control so those who want to be open can feel open about there identity.
I say it's fair because those who are open about there own sexuality doesn't exactly cross the line of respecting.

It's possible that it's not 100% can go away like racism and such for a very long time, but it can get a lot better faster someday..

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Fronky-Plz In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-11 16:47:05 +0000 UTC]

True. It can be okay as long as it doesn't get too messed up. I've seen people who post what can only be described as glorfied child pornography.

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wwwarea In reply to Fronky-Plz [2015-06-11 16:58:17 +0000 UTC]

Well just because something is considered messed up, I still don't think that it should be OK.

Hmm was it real life CP? I think that would be messed up. Or just a harmless cub fiction cub thing?

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Fronky-Plz In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-11 17:00:46 +0000 UTC]

Anime babies graphically soiling their diapers

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wwwarea In reply to Fronky-Plz [2015-06-12 00:17:47 +0000 UTC]

Well honestly, I don't see a major big deal about that (It's only fiction right?), and I believe people shouldn't be shame for that as long if it's victimless.
Though I don't know if two babies is the same thing with as 'pedo content', but it can still be risk at nudity and/or obscene or something.

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Fronky-Plz In reply to wwwarea [2015-06-12 16:07:45 +0000 UTC]

I suppose so, but there are some people in the comments who openly admit to have masturbated to it, and others who keep begging to see the babies get naked.

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wwwarea In reply to Fronky-Plz [2015-06-13 22:18:42 +0000 UTC]

As long if they masturbate to imaginary things, I don't think I would care. I also hear that if people masturbated to only the imaginary side, it would prevent real attempts of happening.
Yeah it probably might mean that, though I think it sounds like an adult must be involved, but then again, the law can possibly still cover this. Hear a bit less strict on fiction (Depends on where you are maybe) maybe and 100% against on real. xD

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wwwarea In reply to Chiminix [2015-06-09 23:53:59 +0000 UTC]

Well I don't think a random name calling thing should be maybe. But there are things that can really effect people's lives in a bad way involving other people (Worse, possibly ruin there life). I believe generally that 'public humiliation' or 'public shame', etc, etc, like articles, posts, etc, etc, should be the focus.

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Sonic1234567891 In reply to ??? [2015-06-09 04:20:03 +0000 UTC]

"If freedom means anything, it means the ability to tell people what they don't want to hear." ~ George Orwell

(Besides, if one is really hurt from someone ranting about how their fetish is weird/disgusting/unnatural then that person is really insecure.)

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Googler11 In reply to Sonic1234567891 [2015-06-09 04:47:10 +0000 UTC]

Freedom of speech does not protect you from people calling you out for being an asshole

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wwwarea In reply to Sonic1234567891 [2015-06-09 04:28:39 +0000 UTC]

I already talked about Freedom of Speech here:
wwwarea.deviantart.com/journal…

And no, please open your mind and realized that people are different. It's no different than shaming someone for being white.
Or anything. People have a right to find it very offensive, and hurtful. They don't want to have there harmless enjoyment in life judged either.
And considering shaming people publicly is extremely effected.

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