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Description Look in all fairness, I can see where some fans are coming from in terms of the writing.  They have lost their sense of maturity in comparison to games like SA1, (Maybe) SA2, Unleashed, or even the Storybook games.  I will also agree that Sonic himself is only "half of who he is" (As stated by Nerdword Entertainment on Youtube).  I do miss the more serious tone in the writing myself (Which will return in Forces).  But is it worth being so uptight about?  To a majority of people, yes since the Story and World has a little more to it than Mario.  However, if you honest to god believe that story alone makes or breaks a Sonic game, then this series is certainly not for you.  Yes, Sega and Sonic Team tried to make the games more story based and add to the overall world, but that doesn't mean that Sonic is all about story since it was never really a story driven game series like Uncharted, The Batman Arkham Series, any of TellTale's games, or even Ratchet and Clank for example.  If it were those games, then yeah the story would matter more.  Just to go off on a tangent real quick, I consider Uncharted 3: Drakes Deception my least favorite in the series so far because while I did enjoy it (and it was my first game in the series) the story was all over the place.  The other games were much more straight forward and entertaining, though Drakes Deception is still a damn good game in all fairness.  This is the kind of thing that a lot of Sonic fans should really do instead of shutting themselves into their safe zone.  Jacobsonic84 has made a meme a while back discussing the reason why Sonic Lost World and Boom didn't sell very well is because they were both exclusive to the Wii U (A console nobody gave two shits about compared to the Xbox One and PS4), not the story and tone.  If you never played the post 2010 games but think that they suck because the stories don't have a darker tone, I recommend you open your mind and give them a shot anyway (As Dan Rock Productions said).  You could be missing out on something you might like or even love despite the story.  As much as I hate Sonic 06's story for being a boring mess, I still think it's not that bad gameplay wise (Not saying it was good though).  But story doesn't make or break every game you know.

Do yourself a favor, open your mind (and heart) and try to enjoy/judge the games for what they are instead of giving out blind hate just because something in particular isn't what you want.

Edit: I've been informed by Jacobsonic84 himself, telling me that Sonic Lost World and Boom sold poorly because of how they weren't good games in general (according to the overall reception) in addition to being exclusive on the Wii U. I still feel that being exclusive to the Wii U is still the main reason for Lost Worlds case though.
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Comments: 52

SonicTeam765 [2018-11-01 20:27:47 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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TheSyncPlanet In reply to SonicTeam765 [2019-08-23 18:40:17 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean my waspy little friend?

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Jlattany1 In reply to TheSyncPlanet [2019-11-16 07:12:16 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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TheSyncPlanet In reply to Jlattany1 [2019-11-16 07:23:59 +0000 UTC]

He’s just full of his own bullshit

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gameman5804 In reply to TheSyncPlanet [2020-04-23 19:45:29 +0000 UTC]

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TheSyncPlanet In reply to gameman5804 [2020-04-24 02:30:52 +0000 UTC]

I wasn’t implying to you. You’re good.

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Jlattany1 In reply to TheSyncPlanet [2019-11-16 07:37:27 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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Zesanacktor In reply to Jlattany1 [2020-04-23 19:41:29 +0000 UTC]

gameman doesn’t steal tho

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Bismuth84 [2018-04-06 07:46:47 +0000 UTC]

I wanted the Wii U ever since it came out, but that’s just me, I guess...

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CaptainPopplio [2018-01-31 05:17:35 +0000 UTC]

I COMPLETELY understand why someone wouldn’t be fond of the current Sonic stories, but it’s very ignorant to claim that it’s ruining the series for everyone. Seriously, if people hate the writing that much, they can just skip the cutscenes and play the game.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:22:10 +0000 UTC]

I know this is off topic but what do you feel about archie pre reboot and post reboot?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:25:07 +0000 UTC]

I never read the Archie comics so I can't say.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:26:04 +0000 UTC]

Do you think Sonic should be kiddy or edgy?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:26:48 +0000 UTC]

Somewhere in the middle.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:27:11 +0000 UTC]

You mean balance right?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:27:45 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:28:07 +0000 UTC]

Which games are your favorites?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:33:03 +0000 UTC]

3 and Knuckles
Adventure 1 and maybe 2
Riders
Unleashed
Generations

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:33:47 +0000 UTC]

And the games you don't like? Just curious.

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:35:39 +0000 UTC]

Sonic Spinball
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic 06
The Story Book games
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:37:42 +0000 UTC]

Why spinball and the storybook games?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:43:21 +0000 UTC]

I just couldn't get into spinball not even on the genesis. Pinball isn't my cup of tea in video games.

While I'll admit that Black Knight is better than Secret Rings, the gameplay just ruins them for me.

Secret Rings because of its terrible motion controls and awful mission structure.

Black Knight for relying WAY too much on the sword, and sacrificing level design as a result.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:56:20 +0000 UTC]

What about tge stories in storybook games?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:58:14 +0000 UTC]

Surprisingly, they got the overall tone down pat despite the more ridiculous setting. Hell, they hold the best version of Sonic's Character.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 18:58:59 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean by 'pat' when you said this?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 18:59:55 +0000 UTC]

Like they got the tone just right for Sonic.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:00:49 +0000 UTC]

Do you think the other characters got their personalities right?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:01:24 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean?

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:03:01 +0000 UTC]

What about Tails, Knuckles, Shadow and Blaze's (too lazy to call them by their storybook names) personalities there?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:08:08 +0000 UTC]

Uh.... I think it's hard to say since those characters aren't really Tails or Knuckles but they're role playing as Ali Baba/The Unnamed Blacksmith, Sinbad/Sir Gawain. I think the personalities are just fine though. (From what little I know of the actual stories)

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:09:25 +0000 UTC]

And what do you think about the other Sonic games besides your favorite and hated games you specified?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:16:02 +0000 UTC]

Uh.... I think Heroes and Lost World (Wii U) are okay.
I like Sonic 1, 2, CD, and Maina.
Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice is decent.
Looking forward to Forces.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:16:30 +0000 UTC]

And Zero Gravity and Free Riders?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:17:12 +0000 UTC]

Zero Gravity = Good
Free Riders = Shit

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:17:47 +0000 UTC]

Your opinion on the TV shows?

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:21:11 +0000 UTC]

Never watched SATAM or Underground
Barely watched Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
I thought Sonic X to be meh (at least the American dub)
And I found Sonic Boom to be decent.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:22:01 +0000 UTC]

Why Sonic Boom is decent? It just seems like a self aware show.

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:22:57 +0000 UTC]

I just like the writing to be honest.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:23:55 +0000 UTC]

Well it's your opinion but I didn't like that much.

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gameman5804 In reply to MahouShoujoMaisoon [2017-09-18 19:24:41 +0000 UTC]

That's fine.

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MahouShoujoMaisoon In reply to gameman5804 [2017-09-18 19:24:50 +0000 UTC]

Ok

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Flora-Tea [2017-08-22 00:45:34 +0000 UTC]

Whether people admit it or see it or not, Sega/Sonic Team decided and presented the fact they meant for Sonic to be a game series where story and gameplay are the full package together. If half of the package is spoiled, it does put a harsh blow on the entire package's reputation.

The Sonic games of the 2000's (outside the Adventure games) already have mostly inconsistent "meh" gameplay and with the stories being even worse, it spoils the package as a whole even more. And yes, a bad story can turn many people off when it comes to a game series that has presented itself as a storytelling game, no matter how people might try to claim it's only the gameplay that matters. With Mario it's only the gameplay that really matters because it never presented itself as a game series where story is at all a main focus. Sonic did the opposite and you can't blame people for being turned off from games due to crappy writing because the writing is actually rather important in those games' cases.

Overall though, I feel no one is really hating or avoiding any Sonic game purely because of the story but the terrible writing is even more noticeable when the gameplay isn't even consistently enjoyable. Sega/Sonic Team is never confident with Sonic in the modern years, so have never given his games much of an identity, which makes people unable to help but notice how horrid the writing is and therefore be scared away.

This is really making me realize just how "meh" the Sonic franchise is as a whole. The whole franchise screams inconsistency and insecurity.

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gameman5804 In reply to Flora-Tea [2017-08-22 01:05:12 +0000 UTC]

I guess the vocal "Adventure Fans" expect too much coming out of a game that presents a Blue Hedgehog on speed. Granted, the writing can be better. When you're talking about the overall tone though, that's a whole other issue. Since Colors (I think) people actually want the darker toned, edgy, stories again.

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Flora-Tea In reply to gameman5804 [2017-08-22 01:11:54 +0000 UTC]

I'm speaking as someone who has never played the Adventure games in my life. However, when you make a certain first impression as Sonic's 3D games did with the Adventure games (and you know what they say about first impressions) it's rather moronic an idea to stray as far from that impression if it's a good one like Sonic Team has. 

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gameman5804 In reply to Flora-Tea [2017-08-22 01:18:01 +0000 UTC]

Well if that's the case, I recommend you give the Adventure games a shot anyway. Like I said, don't let that one thing (the story) ruin the entire thing for you. One guy has told me about his thoughts on Borderlands 1 and said that the game is awesome but the story was stupid as all hell. You know?

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Flora-Tea In reply to gameman5804 [2017-08-22 02:05:56 +0000 UTC]

May consider it someday. And I think that depends on the person really and they should feel free to judge a game however way fits them and how they view things. If the game's writing is a deal breaker for them then that's just how they are, no fault in being that way in my opinion 

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gameman5804 In reply to Flora-Tea [2017-08-22 02:08:00 +0000 UTC]

As long as one doesn't say that it's ruining the series for everyone (as if everyone had the same opinion), then I guess I'll respect that.

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jacobsonic84 [2017-08-18 00:21:49 +0000 UTC]

Nice, although I would maybe add that while LW and Boom being on a mediorce selling system played a good part in the underwhelming sales, it wasn't the only reason since both games just weren't that good (especially the latter) and people weren't dumb enough to buy bad Sonic games anymore. Plus LW was ported to PC which is obviously a much more popular platform than the Wii U, but by then it was already too late since people knew the game wasn't very good.

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gameman5804 In reply to jacobsonic84 [2017-08-18 00:29:59 +0000 UTC]

I guess yeah. The only reason why I left that part out is more because it felt more like opinion territory to me. I do recall that I commented on that particular post stating of me stating that I think Lost World Wii U is just okay. But then again, I think Rise of Lyric is a piece of shit that's worse than 06. If I'm calling Lost World a shit game though, I'm referring to the 3DS version. Thanks for the advice.

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animetrain027 [2017-08-17 22:59:16 +0000 UTC]



Very well said, dude! jacobsonic84 and AceTimeRad will definitely be happy with this  

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