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Published: 2010-12-12 01:55:17 +0000 UTC; Views: 25331; Favourites: 395; Downloads: 42
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I got banned from reporting because I reported to many art thieves and other such violations of the rulesWow. So much attention lately! Thanks everyone!
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Ouch. Perhaps that ought to be mentioned somewhere.
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It's in a comment on this deviation.
"You were blocked from sending in any more reports due to the high level of incorrect reports. We monitor this quite closely and when someone reaches around 75% of incorrect reports, we tend to review and then block.
This way, we don't have our desk filling up with incorrect reports -- reports that present incorrect stats and cause unnecessary backlog, and allows us to get to correct reports in a swifter manner."
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Ahh ok. I suppose I didn't look hard enough.
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wow, that's pretty stupid
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It prevents the complaints from stacking up.
For this to happen, the users report would mostly have to be false, around 75% of them as $chix0r stated.
Moderators and Employees do not have the time or resources to sit around receiving false reports over and over again.
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Acutally that makes sense to me... No offense to you, VacuityMechanica; but maybe some of the people you're apperantly over-reporting genuinely aren't thieves: I've seen and do watch artist who cycle through several styles regularly, and produce various types of art for different fandoms or OCs... Just saying.
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I never reported unless I was 100% sure. And it wasn't just art thieves, in fact the bulk of the reports where misplaced deviations.
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Fair enough. I'll admit though, I wasn't aware you could report a deviation for being misplaced
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Yeah, it's considered a breach of the rules. When you hit 'Report Deviation' on the right side of the deviation, the second option is 'Misplaced Deviation'.
That's how you report one.
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I see. Thanks for the info
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WTF??????
That raelly can happen here?
ThatΒ΄s truely crass indeed. And SOOOOO contradictionary.
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What is this
Why would they
I don't even
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Haha wow. That's kinda like saying "we don't give a fuck if they stole someone's art, quit bothering us."
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And I realize sometimes people overreact and report away, but it's still because they want to help
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That sucks, I hate the new dA thing, and people need to stop stealing art ):<
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There is reasoning behind this.
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Damn. That's hard, man.
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this is ridiculous. I've reported deviations that are considered "pornographic" and yes according to the rules, they said that it wasn't allowed. yet they managed to address that the deviations where ok...I still have not received a response.
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Oh God, that is just out of order.
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what the hell is happening there? I think someone acked dA...
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Actually, your description is incorrect.
You were blocked from sending in any more reports due to the high level of incorrect reports. We monitor this quite closely and when someone reaches around 75% of incorrect reports, we tend to review and then block.
This way, we don't have our desk filling up with incorrect reports -- reports that present incorrect stats and cause unnecessary backlog, and allows us to get to correct reports in a swifter manner.
I hope this clarifies for you
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Hello, I have just one question, if I may.
If someone is banned from reporting, does that also mean they won't be able to report someone for stealing and reposting their own work?
Does that option (my work used) remain available to them in the report box, or do they need to go to the help desk?
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Just asking,
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We did -- they aren't banned from the site, only the moderation desk reporting.
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Reposting this from another picture related to this: Actually that makes sense to me... No offense to you, VacuityMechanica; but maybe some of the people you're apperantly over-reporting genuinely aren't thieves: I've seen and do watch artist who cycle through several styles regularly, and produce various types of art
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*apparently
Anyone specific in mind?
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Ehh, well a guy off the top of my head who does stuff in different styles is ~maniac086 and *lastscionz
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Ah,see.Well then I don't see why everyone is complaining then..I mean if you abuse your right to report/ect it'll get taken away from you...:/ I'm just sayin
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I've got the same issue with the report system (got banned permanently due to the mentioned amout of incorrect reports).
If you do this for the reason you said in your comment (to avoid further incorrect reports), why don't you do it only as a warning if it's only the at first (like the temporary ban from the site), by blocking the option only for some time while sending a warning to the user (via note or e-mail), and only later, if they keep on send incorrect reports, block the user for good?
I'm sure people can learn from their mistakes and, if you give them something like a second chance, they may make themselves sure to report correctly in the future.
I hope this won't sound too confusing. English is not my main language, after all.
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No, you make perfect sense, and I agree. A user isn't going to know if they're making incorrect reports unless you send them a nudge. By the looks of things this isn't done, since it seems many users didn't know they were incorrectly reporting. A warning or temporary reporting ban would make more sense at first instead of outright banning them all together. It could also work like a lot of forum sites, after a while of good behavior the users' ban/% of incorrect reports goes down in fairness of such good behavior. If you make one misjudgment after a long period of good judgments it isn't fair to be banned just for that.
If this is actually what happens and I didn't know that, then I apologize. But if it isn't, their system need to be severely reevaluated.
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"It could also work like a lot of forum sites, after a while of good behavior the users' ban/% of incorrect reports goes down in fairness of such good behavior."
As far as I've got from DA, this may be the way they work.
Speaking for personal experience, when I could still report images to the HelpDesk I was still kind of new in here.
Back then, I reported (or better, tried to report) several images which mostly consisted in screenshots taken from the web and uploaded into someone's main gallery. Some of them had been just screenshot posted without any hint of manipulation, while some others had been about OCs "done" by painting over a canon with MS Paint/Photoshop.
Thinking at that now, I can only guess that it might have been also my own fault; when reporting something, DA asks you for a link to the original image to prove that it's a real deal.
In the most of my reports I never added the link, because I had no clue where I could've found one. So, since that was marked as an "additional option" and not a required one, I often left that blank, thinking that reporting a screenshot simply as a "stolen artwork" could've been enough already, because it was obvious that it was an image taken from the web and not drawn by the artist. But I suppose I've always been wrong about it.
In fact, a good amount of the reports with those links had been marked as solved and the images removed.
Anyway, although banned, there still is a way to report artworks to the DA staff.
If it is about things like fanarts drawn by other DA members, you can always send a warning note to them, and then let them deal with the thief (I did that so many times since I got "report-banned" that I lost the count). Which seems to be also the fastest way to get a stolen image taken down.
Some time ago, one of the mods told me that they takes more into consideration reports coming from the original artist themselves than the ones coming from a third party (which also means: it's not true that "the more an image gets reported by everybody, the more chances you get to see it taken down".)
If it is about reporting contents which are not suitable for this site, the HelpDesk has also an e-mail address. Which, in my opinion, is even better than the form you have to fill when you click on "report deviation", because you can explain your reasons better. Besides, you can also use the e-mail address in place of the link "report deviation" if anyone stole your own artworks.
If you're wondering where to find this e-mail address, it's in the FAQs.
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Your right that we could have a more granular system in place for blocking here but like I said earlier we regularly review. It's rare that people are banned forever and usually if someone contacts us directly we can talk about it with them and help educate.
This particular deviant didn't do that though, he just took it straight to the dAramallama train
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It's harder than you're making it out to get admins to reply to you. I've sent various admins notes over the years about various things and it was extremely rare that they would take the time to respond to a lowly normal non-popular user such as myself. If you guys were more communicative and it didn't feel like you looked down on the rest of us, people probably wouldn't feel so afraid/hesitant to contact you. To this day I have issues I was never able to get resolved because I simply couldn't get anyone to talk to me. Not popular enough, I guess. You guys just come off so flippant and uncaring.
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That's what the Help Desk is for...
You didn't get responses because you didn't use the correct means of contact.
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How do you know what all I did or didn't do? I didn't realize you were me and fully aware of everything I've done the past.. *looks* 8 years.
Regardless, back in the day when I was still thinking DA might care, most admins were still saying you could reach them by note if need be. They were at least trying to appear friendly and communicative.
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Because you said what you were doing in the comment I replied to?
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No, I briefly said I was ignored, and I didn't really describe it too much. You jumped to a conclusion in defense of the admins. That doesn't suddenly mean I haven't done anything else. Not that it matters for the reasons I've mentioned.
I'm sure there are some good admins, but I haven't found one yet.
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No, you said "I've sent various admins notes" which isn't the proper means of getting help on dA.
I'm not jumping to conclusion, you've just...been doing it wrong.
Or that you just didn't provide enough information. That ain't my fault.
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It's your fault to jump to a conclusion. I didn't leave much of any details in my comment, I didn't feel the need to, I was just trying to get across that I've been ignored.
You obviously have a lot of faith in the admins to want to defend them as much as you've been doing, but the rest of us have legitimate reasons for being disgruntled. Leave it at that. There are plenty of examples in the description to this very post that show that help desk tickets don't necessarily get results, anyway.
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