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Mental-IllnessClub In reply to ??? [2009-10-05 23:13:08 +0000 UTC]

so theres the options to disable groupies? the tiers thing still confuses me. so you have the option of allowing members to edit the blogs? (well i wouldnt want that anyways ^^)

It looked like the club had several of its blogs on one page so it took a while to scroll down. it seems like it would be a feature you can edit, similar to the display past journal entries thing now.

I have another question, about the user names(well right now its user name/club name) not sure what official title theyre gonna use, group name or something, but anyways do you know if they'll make them have to be unique like how the usernames are? or if there are 2 that are the same they'll allow that. Just wondering cause sometimes by coincidence someone picks the same name and then you cant use it.

Thank you very much for taking the times to answers all my questions!!

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parallellogic In reply to Mental-IllnessClub [2009-10-06 00:58:07 +0000 UTC]

~so theres the options to disable groupies?
Yes, you can choose which categories users are presented with joining to. You can also make your group private where you don't allow users to ask to join at all, all new members have to be invited (either by the founder of the group or one of the moderators with proper permissions).

~so you have the option of allowing members to edit the blogs? (well i wouldnt want that anyways ^^)
That is an option yes. Each blog has the option of making it editable only to the creator of the blog post. If you post a blog and don't want it to be edited, you can select that option and then only you will be able to edit the post. The option is not normally selected, so by default other users (who have been given the proper set of permissions) will be able to edit the blog.

~it seems like it would be a feature you can edit
Yes, the group can choose how many blogs are shown on the profile page (up to 5); the widget can also be removed so that no blogs are shown at all.

~if they'll make them have to be unique like how the usernames are?
Well, yes they have to be unique. If you have control of the account (for example ~teentitans ) you will be able to log in as that club, request that your club be changed to a group and then the account will appear as a group. Otherwise you will need to think of a unique name for your group. There is also a new rule where chat rooms can only be created with names that have not already been taken by users. Ie, you cannot currently create a chat room for ~teentitans (if one didn't already exist) because that username has already been taken. Apparently chat rooms will be closely linked with group accounts when the system is released.

~not sure what official title theyre gonna use, group name or something
It's part of the groups account type, so groups names would be the proper term I believe

~Thank you very much for taking the times to answers all my questions!!
Certainly

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Mental-IllnessClub In reply to parallellogic [2009-10-06 02:10:12 +0000 UTC]

Thanks again! You've been really helpful I'll keep checking the news the staff put out there about the clubs, hopefully more clarity comes soon.

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parallellogic In reply to Mental-IllnessClub [2009-10-06 02:17:26 +0000 UTC]

Certainly, and I will do the same, there will likely be additions to this walkthrough in the future

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Mental-IllnessClub In reply to parallellogic [2009-10-06 03:50:28 +0000 UTC]

I'll be on the look out for any future updates ^^

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alltheoriginalnames In reply to ??? [2009-10-05 02:36:46 +0000 UTC]

I think that the Major #1 deciding factor for me right now is the Group Members Cap and Tiers. If there is something in the way of only 50 or 100 Group members allowed on the lowest Tier for group (no paid subscription), I will not convert any of my clubs. Many of my clubs have 400+ members, many of which are active.

And if there are severely limited options on the lowest Tier I will not convert either. I volunteer my time to run my Clubs, and maybe a little money here and there to get a 3 month sub to fancy it up from time to time. But I will not pay $50 to $100 for still limited privileges when I can run my clubs for free. Nor can I ask my members to donate that kind of money.

I thank you for providing this information, since it is so hard to come by. I have read all about options and widgets, but not about actual facts regards the club process.

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parallellogic In reply to alltheoriginalnames [2009-10-05 09:16:30 +0000 UTC]

~If there is something in the way of only 50 or 100 Group members allowed on the lowest Tier for group (no paid subscription), I will not convert any of my clubs.
There is currently a cap of 100 users in the Groupies tier for Basic groups. Groupies are not the lowest tier in groups. Watchers will be able to contribute to the group (an unlimited number of watchers are capable of watching the group). Groupie membership is not required for participation in the group (this is at the discretion of the founder, they may decide to make the club "private" so that only accepted groupies may contribute).

~Many of my clubs have 400+ members, many of which are active.
You know, a while ago I was rather curious about these kinds of stats and I made some diagnostic programs to look over the stats for ~teentitans and other clubs I run. I found that of the 3,000 some members in each of those clubs, under 10%, between 200 and 300 users, were responsible for contributing art over the last year and a half. I'm by no means saying the groupies limit is good, I'm just saying they weren't too far off in their guess at the estimated number of "active members" if that is indeed what groupies are supposed to be.

~Nor can I ask my members to donate that kind of money.
I can't speak on the subject of group subscriptions, I have only heard rough ideas like groups will charge slightly more than standard accounts and that users will be able to contribute small sums of money towards subscriptions (rather than purchasing the whole thing at once like in the past)

~I thank you for providing this information, since it is so hard to come by.
Certainly. I will work to update this later tonight. I've already written the portion on permissions and am writing up the portion about the Back Room right now and should finish within a few hours of this post

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alltheoriginalnames In reply to parallellogic [2009-10-05 22:49:39 +0000 UTC]

So members can still post their own work in the Group gallery? They don't have to be groupies?

As far as members go for some of my clubs, I would say the majority of members participate. That being said a majority only has to be 51% lol. I have noticed different people active at different times. My clubs are in no way shape or form large, but the members are loyal and active.

There are several tiers of the Group System and Subscription prices.

Free. Limited amount of options
Basic Sub (Estimated cost is $50-60 USD annually)
Advanced (amount not discussed yet)
Premium ( $1K USD annually)

With each "up" in tier, you get more options and more abilities. At the top, the Premium Clubs, those will basically be entire website like groups that you make MONEY off of, but having ESTABLISHED companies and members all coming and going all the time.

Top premium tier would be for companies and such.

There will also be a credits system that is the equivalent of money on deviantArt. Though this is from a creditable source, it is merely hearsay from members who attended the deviantArt World Tour.

Thank you for all your help and hard work compiling all of this information for us, you have provided more info and answered more questions than anywhere else on deviantArt. I really appreciate all the work you put into the community, it is very much appreciated.

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parallellogic In reply to alltheoriginalnames [2009-10-06 01:11:27 +0000 UTC]

~So members can still post their own work in the Group gallery? They don't have to be groupies?
If the founder sets the proper settings, that is correct. For more details about that, please read the latest update in the #devBUG news blog: [link]

~There are several tiers of the Group System and Subscription prices.
Where did you find this information?

~There will also be a credits system that is the equivalent of money on deviantArt.
Ah yes, thank you, I briefly covered that when I was talking about the Treasury tab, it does appear that they intend to go all the way with that concept.

~you have provided more info and answered more questions than anywhere else on deviantArt.
I'm rather surprised there isn't an official tour of the groups system, it seemed like a rather obvious gap in their promotion of this system

~I really appreciate all the work you put into the community
Thank you very much, it really means a lot to know my work is being appreciated

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alltheoriginalnames In reply to parallellogic [2009-10-06 19:03:17 +0000 UTC]

~ Where did you find this information?

A members of deviantArt who attended the deviantArt World Tour and had a chance to talk about the Group System with $spyed Keep in mind this was just a general idea given at the time of the Tour, and many specifics may have changed in pricing and Tier levels.

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KelliRoos In reply to ??? [2009-09-22 21:29:35 +0000 UTC]

I run a club, so I'm hoping to get up to speed on this to make the transition for my members as smooth as possible. Thanks for this work in progress.

This is all slowly making sense to me. Looks like I'll have to rethink if we want our group to be, like how to use groupies, admins and founder.

Question 1: Looks like some groups have additional levels of members. Is this something defined for each group?

Quesiton 2: What are all the different things that members/groupies/watchers (whatever) can submit/add/contribute to a group? From what I can tell it is:

a deviation
a favorite suggestion
a blog entry
anything else?

I am curious if I can expand what people add to our group to help expand others knowledge.

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parallellogic In reply to KelliRoos [2009-09-23 01:12:23 +0000 UTC]

~I'll have to rethink if we want our group to be, like how to use groupies, admins and founder.
Personally, I'm thinking of using the Founder and Co-founder for most groups and then just ignoring groupies; most clubs I run are just admins and club members, so there are really only two tears, groupies just adds in an extra level of competition I really don't want to have to contend with (watching current alpha groups, there has been a lot of disappointment by users who have been rejected from joining the groupies level or that have been accepted and then later kicked because of the groupie limit)

Q1: If you mean group members (which are like club admins), yes some groups have additional levels they can add. As far as I know, unsubbed groups are fixed to the three member levels: 1 user in the founder position, 2 user as co-founders, and 7 user as mods (10 members in 3 levels altogether). Super groups (first tier subbed groups) can add additional member levels (though I do not know if there is a limit on the number of member levels that can be added, I suspect there is, but I do not know what it may be) and can have up to 60 users in each level.

So yes, it is defined for unsubbed groups, but for subbed groups it is undefined and is somewhat editable.

Q2: I think there may be a way to allow users to submit devMEEts, but I can't verify that. They can send notes to the club (although I presume you were referring to public contributions). I think if you give them the right privs, they can send invites to other users (so if you have an exclusive club where no one can do anything except watch the group, the only way a user may be able to get in is by being invited by a current groupie).

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KelliRoos In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-23 18:36:33 +0000 UTC]

thank you for the detailed reply!

Ah yes. The way you describe I agree with it. I do not want to cause extra drama with a group. I just want as many people to benefit as possible. With our watercolor club, I think I see a way I want to use groupies, similar to the writers club.

Browsing through the clubs, I was starting to get an idea of that. Seems like a lot of extra structure than necessary, but I guess they're giving us flexibility to run these things.

Okay, for user submitted stuff seems like I was on track. So there can be invite only groups? Wow, that surprises me a little, considering the openness I've always seen promoted by the top tier of management. Though this must've been a feature demanded at the beginning.

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parallellogic In reply to KelliRoos [2009-09-23 22:25:20 +0000 UTC]

Certainly

~I do not want to cause extra drama with a group. I just want as many people to benefit as possible.
Yeah, same here

~So there can be invite only groups?
Yes, I believe so and I think #devBUG is still set up like that: as by-invite-only (it's not a single setting, you'd need to go through each member level and define it that way)

~So there can be invite only groups? Wow, that surprises me a little
It surprised me too when $spyed used the word "clique" to describe the new groups system (back in August [link] ) since that term has always had a negative connotation in my mind (elitism essentially), but then again I feel there are times when that actually kind of fits in with how dA works, like seniors are an "elite" group, DDs are awards given to "elite" artists... I think it's been a subtle under current to dA's operations for some time now, it's just now coming out in full color, but more users will have access to the features. I think there will be at least a moderate amount of controversy over it when it is released

~Though this must've been a feature demanded at the beginning.
If it was, I must have missed it; the admins had a couple polls a couple months back where they gathered ideas for groups, but while skimming the responses I don't recall seeing anything about "invite only" being a request, considering it's not a feature present in any of the clubs I know.

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BlockJuice In reply to ??? [2009-09-13 01:29:31 +0000 UTC]

My idea regarding groups...

Watcher= Yea, we all know who this is.
Limit= infinite.

Groupie= Can only post art. More privileges than a watcher.
Limit= infinite. That way, more people can join your club, and you can rise to 1,000,000 groupies if you're really bored and want to *cough* bug something.

Poster/Newscaster= Still on the verge of what to call this one. This is where you're able to post journals, and this is where the limit stays. You need one of three things to qualify...

1. Post enough artwork.
2. Be in the club long enough. (Limits for 1 and 2 set by founders.)
3. Founder's permission.

Limit= Depends on the group. Whatever the limit for groupies is at the moment, is what the limit for this should be.

Ya see? Now, we can have a lot of people in our groups, and we don't have to have 4,000,000 mingebags post that they jacked off to Twilight on our front page.

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parallellogic In reply to BlockJuice [2009-09-17 06:56:44 +0000 UTC]

I've been thinking about this for a few days and I'm curious what the distinction between a groupie and a watcher would be. Being a watcher, you can do everything that a groupie can (I'm assuming the founder of the group is cooperating by setting the proper privilege settings), and since a watcher can turn off all the settings through the friends list (like watch deviations, blogs, etc) so that a watcher would end up *being* a groupie (not notified of anything but can take part in the group's activities) at which point the groupie distinction becomes redundant, unnecessary and can be removed (ie used for something else). If your group becomes subbed, you will be able to rename member levels (different levels of mods), but I am unsure if you can rename groupies. If you could rename them to something like "Newscaster", you, as the founder of the group, could then give them the proper permissions, like the ability to post blogs (whereas normal watchers would not have this ability if you so decreed). In effect I'm suggesting combining the groupies and watchers into one tier of watchers and using the groupies level for Newscasters.

~You need one of three things to qualify...
These restraints are *extremely* specific to the group, qualifiers such as "how much is 'enough'?" and "long enough" are very vague and would be best suited to a manual interpretation by the founder of the group. You will be able to set the settings of the group so that not everything is auto-approved: you can make it so that users need to pass your inspection before becoming part of the upper-level group (Newscasters). Ie, you can ask the users to provide a description of their previous work in the application and you, as the founder, can review the info they've provided before deciding whether to allow them in or not.

Basic (unsubbed) groups have a 100 groupie limit
Super (first tier subbed) groups have a 1000 groupie limit
Pro (second tier subbed) groups have no groupie limit

~Now, we can have a lot of people in our groups
I'm not quite seeing how duplicating the function of the watchers means that more people will join, to me that just means that users will all migrate to whichever (groupies or watchers) have more permissions (if there are any differences), or more likely, they will just become a groupie *and* a watcher.

~and we don't have to have 4,000,000 mingebags post that they jacked off to Twilight on our front page.
I have no idea what you mean by this. Regardless of who you permit in or keep out of your group, people will still be able to comment on a group's front page.

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BlockJuice In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-17 12:52:40 +0000 UTC]

The last part was a joke. I was trying to make it to where you could have as many people as you wanted, but they couldn't post blogs.

Apparently, my system is flawed, as you explained in your mini-essay. I'll bookmark it and read it all later.

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Stormartic In reply to ??? [2009-09-10 17:23:42 +0000 UTC]

This is great =^_^=

All I want to know is when?
I want to convert my club =^_^=

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parallellogic In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-10 23:11:53 +0000 UTC]

The release date has not been set. Personally, I'm banking on early 2010 as the official release (very late 2009 would probably be the beginning of beta testing)

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Stormartic In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-11 08:12:26 +0000 UTC]

But Spyed said during the birthday live show it would be released to us all in the end of August.
I understand some delays may happen, but it shouldn't be that many months of delay =/
The beta testing is now after all

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parallellogic In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-11 10:44:37 +0000 UTC]

I must have missed that, next August? They're nowhere near release and aren't even looking at a potential release date yet.

I wouldn't be listening to what the admins are saying, they've been saying its weeks away for several months now. I've gotten a good look at what is left to be done through #devBUG and I can tell you there is substantial code that has not been done yet (they haven't done much more than sketch out how to convert clubs into groups or how to convert deviations into group submissions, both of which are very crucial to the new system, unless you're talking to one of the programmers working on the project who actually know and have a grasp on what is going on, you're just going to get a fell-good answer ). Given that they are still returning to the *planning* phase on some decisions (based on the programmers responses to the bugs that have been filed in #devBUG -- such as redefining the groupie class as being a sub-member type rather than being completely independent of members or choosing whether you have to be a watcher to submit art to a group) there's still a long wait ahead

Groups are currently in alpha testing. The beta testing phase will be when you can apply for a group and get one to test for yourself.

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Stormartic In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-11 11:10:59 +0000 UTC]

No, this year. Spyed said they hoped to get it done by end of August. Hoped.
But guess that bigger bug is the reason it is not.
But according to this it shouldn't be long now: [link]

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parallellogic In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-11 19:09:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, believe what you like, I'll stick by my original estimate

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Stormartic In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-11 19:19:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm just very optimistic

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Pyritie In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-11 10:30:05 +0000 UTC]

Yeah well he was wrong

You'd rather have a system that works and is bug-free than one that's still full of bugs, right?

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Stormartic In reply to Pyritie [2009-09-11 10:35:25 +0000 UTC]

I don't mind being a bug tester
In fact I like being a beta tester

But I did read on HQ that it's just around the bend now!

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Pyritie In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-11 10:52:29 +0000 UTC]

Beta is, supposedly Not full release

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Stormartic In reply to Pyritie [2009-09-11 11:12:16 +0000 UTC]

No, beta is already out =^_^=
Thus they must mean first version released to us

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AaronBradford In reply to Stormartic [2009-10-05 11:57:51 +0000 UTC]

By beta they mean released to ALL beta testers ... ie, people with the = symbol.

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Stormartic In reply to AaronBradford [2009-10-05 13:42:19 +0000 UTC]

No, beta is a word that has nothing to do with DA
Beta means test mode. And it is in test mode. They just have it limited to chosen few now in the early stage instead of all beta testers.
But you can't call it any less then Beta mode just cause we don't get to try it yet.

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AaronBradford In reply to Stormartic [2009-10-05 13:55:36 +0000 UTC]

The next release will be a full beta mode, and only after that will be a full release.

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AaronBradford In reply to Stormartic [2009-10-05 13:52:42 +0000 UTC]

And by "them", I mean =Pyritie and those in groups such as #devBUG , #SydneySyders and the like. Yes, it is released to a few for initial beta testing ...

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Pyritie In reply to Stormartic [2009-09-11 11:57:54 +0000 UTC]

Beta isn't out We're still in alpha

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wolvenlied In reply to ??? [2009-09-10 14:14:29 +0000 UTC]

I like a lot the concepts you've shown here however I still don't get the groupies thing.

If you become a groupie they you can submit art, right? But what if someone who watches the club changes their mind and decides they do want to submit art or the other way around that someone doesn't want to submit anymore art?

Sometimes we have one submission from one member and they don't submit again. Would that mean they have to become a groupie to submit one piece of art while someone else perhaps submits regularly and isn't able to submit because of the limits on groupies?

What about previously submitted(by that I mean re-uploaded) works? Will people have to resubmit them or will they simply be removed forever?

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parallellogic In reply to wolvenlied [2009-09-11 01:15:18 +0000 UTC]

~If you become a groupie they you can submit art, right?
Yes, it will be possible to do that once the groups system is released. The founder of the group controls the permissions that different members classes have, so it is possible for the founder to disable submissions by groupies, in which case they would not be able to contribute art.

~But what if someone who watches the club changes their mind and decides they do want to submit art
Your ability to watch a group and your ability to become a groupie are independent. It is possible to be a groupie *and* watch the group. It is possible to be a groupie *without* watching the group... etc. When the system is released, watchers will have the ability to contribute art. The founder will have the option of disabling this permission for their own group, so not every group will have the ability for watchers to contribute art, but I suspect a vast majority of groups will be able to accept art from their watchers.

~or the other way around that someone doesn't want to submit anymore art?
Once you join a group as a groupie, it is a simple matter to leave the group: you go to the group and click the "Check Status" button in the title bar/column of the group and then click "Remove" and you will then be removed from the group.

~Would that mean they have to become a groupie to submit one piece of art while someone else perhaps submits regularly and isn't able to submit because of the limits on groupies?
No, you can still submit as a watcher of the group if the founder of the group has enabled the proper settings. But yes, you make a valid point about inactive accounts being groupies and this is a very serious concern for the current groups being beta-tested.

~What about previously submitted(by that I mean re-uploaded) works?
There is a system in the works for converting club submissions into group contributions. I have seen it in a sketched out form, but I haven't seen it operate yet, I'll see what I can do about covering that when I update this walk through again.

~Will people have to resubmit them or will they simply be removed forever?
They will be converted, so the only thing that's lost is the description that the club provided on the club submission. Once the deviation is converted, it links directly to the original artist's submission, and any info in the deviation description will be lost (they have a warning about that in the deviation-conversion-widget that I was looking at, so you shouldn't delete anything by accident).

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Raishuu In reply to ??? [2009-09-10 05:46:54 +0000 UTC]

Great work, I've been thinking about making a tutorial, but you were faster

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parallellogic In reply to Raishuu [2009-09-10 09:06:08 +0000 UTC]

Well, I'm open to the idea of working together and giving credit for anything you can help me get access to, can you access the Back Room "Edit Group" page? If you can see any of the tabs besides invites, layout and blog settings, I'd really appreciate any screen shots you could get me

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Raishuu In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-10 12:44:40 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I made some screenshots, you can find them here: [link]
Tell me when you've downloaded them, please, so I can delete the deviation.
If you need any other screenshots, let me know

I wanted to make a video walkthrough because I think it's easier to show things, than to explain them... but I would not have been as thorough as you and I'm not allowed to post videos anyways

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parallellogic In reply to Raishuu [2009-09-10 16:20:32 +0000 UTC]

~Tell me when you've downloaded them
I've downloaded them. It'll take me a while to process them though

~I'm not allowed to post videos anyways
I'm not sure about the application process, but I would think in this case if you could explain why you wanted video-posting permissions they would probably give it to you

~I wanted to make a video walkthrough
I don't have video making capabilities, but I was thinking about a Flash app as an alternative, but it just took me too long to work with the program

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Raishuu In reply to parallellogic [2009-09-10 17:14:25 +0000 UTC]

Okay, tell me if you need anything else
I know I probably could get permission but now that you've made a walkthrough already... we'll see, maybe I'll make a video one after all. I was thinking of flash, too, but I have no knowledge about that kind of stuff at all. I downloaded a programm which records my sreen and the input from my headset instead. I have no means of editing whatsoever but I hope it will work anyways. I think it would be really great if dA opened a kind of test-group where everyone can access the backroom and edit functions, just to test them out

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WDWParksGal In reply to ??? [2009-09-10 01:15:02 +0000 UTC]

If I understand this correctly, once a club has been approved to become a group that current watchers have to reapply to become a groupie? I'll have to read this over several times to fully grasp everything you have said. Thanks so much for writing this out.

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parallellogic In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-10 09:01:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, the key to remember here is that groupies are a predominantly new concept, so they aren't "reapplying" per say. When a club is converted, the watchers remain on the watch list of the new group account. Then, if the founder of the group selects the right set of permissions, the watchers will be able to contribute art in the same way that the old members could, only more efficiently (it may even be possible for non-watchers to contribute art, that officially hasn't been decided yet: [link] ). The idea behind groupies is that they are supposed to be more dedicated in some way to the group, and thus get a wider set of permissions. For example, you may only allow the most "dedicated" (in quotes since that is a massively debatable term when actually running a group) series of users to post blog entries to the group where normal watchers of the group cannot.

But yes, when a club is converted into a group, it starts with 0 groupies and the founder needs to select how, if at all, the group selects or accepts groupie applications (it is possible for a group to not allow users to do anything but watch the group -- they may only acquire groupies by sending invitations which I have yet to explain in the walk through ).

~Thanks so much for writing this out.
Certainly, my only regret is that I haven't had much time recently to add to this

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dazza1008 In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-10 07:37:04 +0000 UTC]

I'd say "current watchers have to apply to become a groupie"

Because watchers and groupies are entirely separate things. (even though people can be both)

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WDWParksGal In reply to dazza1008 [2009-09-11 01:14:37 +0000 UTC]

I was able to keep up with the concept of groups at first but the more I read and heard the less it was all making sense to me. It seems like it may end up being a lot of work to convert a club to a group then once the major overhaul is done a group may be easier to run ~ at least I hope so.

The other thing is having to apply to turn a club into a group and to only Admin one at a time. My daughter and I have already closed two clubs in anticipation of Groups coming out of Alpha and are running most everything out of =DisneyDreamers and *disney-parkhoppers (closed =disneydeviants and ~DisneyAnimatorDreams ) but she and I have other clubs, too! Not sure how this is all going to work out

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dazza1008 In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-11 01:33:54 +0000 UTC]

I don't think there's much conversion necessary - just that people start using the new system. As in, submitting their art to your club's collection folders, and you approve it. Looks like you've been using the collection system, so there aren't any older "club copy" deviations to convert.

I run many clubs as well - or 'help' run - the limit isn't an official thing just yet, and if it were it would be temporary. I'm happy to convert one club to the system, so I get a feel for it. Then, hopefully, the temporary limit will be removed, I'd have a better feel for the system, and that's that. Personally, I don't mind waiting a little.

Awesome you're doing it with your daughter.

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WDWParksGal In reply to dazza1008 [2009-09-11 11:10:03 +0000 UTC]

I don't mind waiting either if I know I'll be able to get them all converted eventually. Tina and I actually started using the journal method to promote members' art a full year before it was suggested by Moonbeam. We had issues with dA removing some art in the gallery that was posted and removed due to copyright violations of a few members. The clubs received threats that if they continued to post such deviations the clubs would get banned. When I complained I was told that Admins were ultimately responsible for submissions and even though my daughter and I were as careful as we could be, some copyright violations got through. Just to save the clubs she and I agreed to do journal submissions. It became even easier when the clubs were allowed to fave the work of members. For the longest time that was considered a bannable offense but at some point dA backed off it and now our clubs do both faves and journal features.

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dazza1008 In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-11 11:31:05 +0000 UTC]

Previous mods at =DeathNotefan had the same experience about the dA mods and club copyright violations - I'd not experienced it myself, but was able to learn from them.

Did I understand you correctly? There was a time when clubs couldn't fave stuff?

That's insane!

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WDWParksGal In reply to dazza1008 [2009-09-11 11:40:19 +0000 UTC]

Yep! Clubs used to be threatened with the ban hammer when I first took over =DisneyDreamers in 2006. I joined dA in '05 and joined =DisneyDreamers then paid for the sub. Soon I became an Admin then took it over. At that time it was considered a way for deviants to sneak faves by asking clubs to fave their art. Somewhere along the way that policy was changed. I only found out as I let one club know not to fave their members art then that Admin let me know she couldn't find anything in the FAQs about it. Well, lo and behold I looked, told my daughter then she asked the help desk. Sure enough the policy had been changed, so she and I set out to make fave folders in our clubs! It really made a difference for us as we do automatic submissions via the watch ~ with Groups that will change.... it would be nice to get one club converted just so she and I could get used to the new system

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dazza1008 In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-11 19:20:32 +0000 UTC]

It just would have been a couple of extra faves... and maybe there were clubs doing that to submissions before the collection system was available.

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Raishuu In reply to WDWParksGal [2009-09-10 05:46:05 +0000 UTC]

Yes, that's right but you don't need to be a groupie to interact with the group (eg. submit deviations to the gallery or favourites).
$Moonbeam13 just posted the community relations news and there is a section about groupies, maybe you want to read that: [link]

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